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SotiCoto · Sep 28, 2007, 12:26 PM // 12:26

I hear you...

Guild Wars is going 1984-style.
Having this Report system will end up akin to having thought police around... where none of us can act freely or naturally because our every movement is monitored to ensure we don't do anything they don't want us doing.

For folks like me who are genuinely "socially challenged" and have difficulty NOT offending people with our regular, day-to-day lives... this report feature is a total nightmare....
Not to mention that it is being left open to abuse by every braindead nub who ever sets foot in Guild Wars and feels that everything they dislike in the world should be attacked by the A-Net staff personally...

It needs to be removed... severely.

As it happens... most communities, while they seem rude and objectionable on the outside.... will usually end up policing themselves fairly well, as the only folks who end up actually being "rude" are those who don't care for social standing anyway... such as myself (though as noted, being "rude" isn't really an option for me).
If those that most folks oppose are actually removed from the game forcibly.... the entirety of Guild Wars is likely to go out of business.

Cebe · Sep 28, 2007, 12:42 PM // 12:42

While the report button concernes me slightly, because there is always the chance you'll come across those "I'm 12 years old and looking to report someone to feel big" type of people in game, such as the person who was insistant that I was using 16 in every attribute on my Mesmer in Fort Aspenwood...with clearly no proof, I think we need to just trust ANet on this one who should throw out reports which are clearly "out of place".

Mass bannings for petty reasons only anger people, I'm sure they'll use this feature wisely.

Government Flu · Sep 28, 2007, 12:52 PM // 12:52

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Mass bannings for petty reasons only anger people, I'm sure they'll use this feature wisely.

I sincerely hope you're right about that.

TheRaven · Sep 28, 2007, 01:32 PM // 13:32

I think the report feature will ultimately be a good thing for the community and not bad.

Government Flu and Soti, I understand what you're saying, but right now it's premature. Sure, you will both probably be reported by 12 year olds wanting to cause trouble and also by folks passing thru town that happen to be offended by an off-hand comment you make.

So? Honestly, most of the time you will never even be aware that someone reported you. The only time you'll have an issue is if the Anet employee who gets the report decides that it's valid. If it truly is an overly-sensitive person or a griefer then the report will be thrown out. If they had a valid point then just "tone it down" a bit while in town and you'll be fine.

For example, I dislike the "WTF" abbreviation. I know what it stands for and it's a word I don't like in my vocabulary and would prefer my teammates not use. However if I started reporting everyone who uses it, I'd use up my 50 report limit in an hour and likely get my own account flagged for griefing. It may offend me, but it's not a reportable offense. Anet wouldn't do anything except toss my report in the trash. I'm sure the same will happen to all the reports the 12 year olds send in as well.

Like Beaver said, Anet doesn't really want to ban a paying customer. It's bad for business.

For now the report option is only in testing. Let's see how it goes. If you are banned as a result of this option or flagged as dishonorable then post the circumstances and we can better judge if this is a good or bad option.

VanDamselx · Sep 28, 2007, 02:08 PM // 14:08

I think at first there's gonna be a /report hype where many people utilize it, maybe even abuse it. It might be used widely at first and of course you're always going to have your typical asshole but I think eventually it will work as intended where it is used in cases where it's needed.

IslandHermet · Sep 28, 2007, 02:35 PM // 14:35

All the /report will do is (KILL LOCAL CHAT) due to the fact that their are a lotta little kids that play the game and well Dont get me Wrong Kids are great and all its just they ruin all forms of games due to Being Immature Im talking about 16 and younger over 16 and the maturity picks up a bit and they grow outa the stage where they do something over and over and over just to get attention.

No need to flame this or even get angry and if you do your in that category

/Report=Not 1 person talking in Local Due to Fear of People who think it is funny to /report 10+times in 1 min just because they Example: Paid too much for a item only to realize a hour later they paid to much OR see someone Spam LFG to much Etc...

The /Report is great for eliminating ALL BOTS IN A INSTANT, and Leachers, other than that it will be a Damper is Social Interaction in Local Chats or even PUGS.

ducktape · Sep 28, 2007, 02:40 PM // 14:40

Let me see if I understand how /report works...

You can report people for anything, but more than one person needs to report someone before any support people will investigate. If you are the only person being harassed by someone, since you will be the sole person reporting the offender, nobody will even look at your report because there are not multiple reports against the offender.
If you want to report someone for leeching, 1/3 of your team must also report that person, or the leech report is presumed false and everyone who reported the leeching gets 2 dishonor points. Therfore if you have so many leechers on your team that the leechers outnumber the actual players by more than 2/3, the real players can't report the leechers because they'll get penalized instead.

Am I missing something? It's nice that it'll be simpler to report someone, especially since most offensive or leeching players do the same stuff repeatedly and will get reported by many other players, but in the situations that I italicized are kind of a bummer, if I am interpereting the /report rules correctly.

The first situation could be avoided if there are ways to flag sole reports for support review based on certain report types, such as if one person reports racial insults or inappropriate sexual comments being targeted at them. That way if a weirdo decides to only bother one person, that one report against the weirdo will actually get looked at.

The second situation is a little more tricky, leechers leech for hours and should eventually end up teamed with enough real players to have 1/3 of the team active and able to report the leechers without getting penalized. It just sucks that if a couple players are trying to do the right thing and report a huge leecher group they got paired with, they would get penalized for reporting if the leechers outnumber them by more than 2/3. I have seen people with screenshots of a team with 6/8ths leechers or 7/8ths leechers, so I know it happens.

Renegade26 · Sep 28, 2007, 02:43 PM // 14:43

I cant get it to work^^. My /report command doesnt do anything.

EternalTempest · Sep 28, 2007, 02:56 PM // 14:56

It's not do /report on X = X becomes ban.
I doubt they change the same review procedure that's already in place.

I bet my account there not going to take action against people for someone reporting someone for having "bad" skill bar's, or saying you have to go / log out do something in RL, etc.

Antheus · Sep 28, 2007, 03:05 PM // 15:05

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Guild Wars is going 1984-style.

No, it's not. That's not what the book 1984 is about.

Look at how well the trade spam threat worked. It's not about ban, it's about fear of the ban.

Same in pvp. There's only a handful of griefers, but they have huge impact on the community. A single leecher in FA will annoy dozens, even hundreds of people each day.

It only takes 2 or 3 of them to make an arena unplayable. And since they had nothing to lose, they kept going at it.

There aren't thousands of griefers. And those that are will be very quickly weeded out by such system. You don't need to create absolute grief-free game. But such simple measures reduce the problem by 90%.

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Like Beaver said, Anet doesn't really want to ban a paying customer. It's bad for business.

People who behave like those against whom the /report is targetted do not care about being customers.

Go look in subscription based MMOs what "going out with a ban" is used for. No, these people aren't a loss. And while mistakes happen, they are in huge minority.

There's also a life's lesson in there, since young folk were mentioned. They need, at one point, to learn the value of money. If you're over 14, this should be a non-issue already.

But for everyone else: if someone else buys you a game, and you squander it, they won't do it again. If you buy it yourself, and do something stupid, perhaps you won't do it next time.

But if one persists at doing something wrong, and then complains about bans, there is nothing more to be said.

Besides, there's lots of misinformation here. The report applies to PvP only (not spatial chat and such), and is used only for the match and team in question. It's just that nobody reads the posts and simply assumes things that don't even exist.

Diddy bow · Sep 28, 2007, 03:37 PM // 15:37

The only thing i dont like is getting dishonor points for reporting when no one else deos, so in RA one dc's one is afk and one is leeching, you report the leech and you get punished. well at least thats what it looks like

Remove that and GG ^^

rotielover · Sep 28, 2007, 03:50 PM // 15:50

Bout time something was done! I agree that you shouldn't get Dishonor points simply if you are only one reporting -- hopefully they can tell a legitimate report from a fake one.

Can someone "report" when this is actually working? I tried it earlier and no love...

SotiCoto · Sep 28, 2007, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by TheRaven

I think the report feature will ultimately be a good thing for the community and not bad.

Government Flu and Soti, I understand what you're saying, but right now it's premature. Sure, you will both probably be reported by 12 year olds wanting to cause trouble and also by folks passing thru town that happen to be offended by an off-hand comment you make.

I had a supposed adult and ex-parent levelling death-threats at me in Alliance Battle before because my Necro (PvE primarily, with 2 elite armours) is called "Ghost of Cot Death".
That is the worst of it, but not the whole of it. There have been at least three other occasions when someone has got up in arms over my Necro's name or told me that I'm a sick bastard and deserve to die...

I don't think I'd want to take my Necro into PvP while this report system is up for the simple reason that these are the sort of opinionated arseholes that would report first and ask questions later... and I'm honestly afraid that if there can be several of them amongst the general populace, that I might run into someone similarly opinionated working for A-Net .... and then BLAM... character gone.
Heck... one of the main reasons I came up with the name in the first place several years ago, for something entirely different, was BECAUSE of such opinionated arseholes thinking the whole world should cry for them because their baby died.

And if I'm afraid of such things.... what about the hoardes of characters out there with sexual innuendo in their names? Often quite strong ones. I find them humourous... and often quite witty. They shouldn't be denied their characters over something so entirely trivial as one crybaby getting the hump about it.

Lady Ana Stacia · Sep 28, 2007, 04:14 PM // 16:14

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

Heck... one of the main reasons I came up with the name in the first place several years ago, for something entirely different, was BECAUSE of such opinionated arseholes thinking the whole world should cry for them because their baby died.

And if I'm afraid of such things.... what about the hoardes of characters out there with sexual innuendo in their names? Often quite strong ones. I find them humourous... and often quite witty. They shouldn't be denied their characters over something so entirely trivial as one crybaby getting the hump about it.

Go have a child and lose it, and then you maybe won't be so unsympathetic about it. Yes your necro's name is offensive and I would report it as well should I see it around.

If your that socially inept maybe you shouldn't be playing a social game to begin with.

Btw you don't lose the charactor they make you change the name!

leprekan · Sep 28, 2007, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

Heck... one of the main reasons I came up with the name in the first place several years ago, for something entirely different, was BECAUSE of such opinionated arseholes thinking the whole world should cry for them because their baby died.

And if I'm afraid of such things.... what about the hoardes of characters out there with sexual innuendo in their names? Often quite strong ones. I find them humourous... and often quite witty. They shouldn't be denied their characters over something so entirely trivial as one crybaby getting the hump about it.

LOL.

You have some growing up to do. Creating a name to be offensive then crying on a forum that someone might find it offensive and report you for it ... that is rich. Not trying to start a flame fest but seriously have you thought about what you are complaining about?

Fried Tech · Sep 28, 2007, 04:39 PM // 16:39

Ya...... SotiCoto.

Just to let you know.... Cot Death is another name for SIDS.
or Sudden Infant Death Syndrome......
There is no way you came up with that name without knowing what cots death is.... you should change your name.

IslandHermet · Sep 28, 2007, 04:42 PM // 16:42

Cot Death very wrong to include in a name but i just do the following I am not defending him at all just pointing out how to complely look past his name.

Haveing a offinseve name seems to be no problem if you dont read it. I mean soo many players with sooo many names with soo many guildies with sooo many guilds in alliance, Nicknames, Vent names, Ts names the list goes on and on. We really shouldnt make a big deal out it since their are too many players with 8 chars with 8 different names, with vent but use different vent name as well. Getting mad at player names really shouldnt be a big deal their is alot more to focus on in the game than the (YOUNG KIDS WHO WANT ATTENTION) As i stated in my first post. Just ingnore them and they will get bored LOL

rotielover · Sep 28, 2007, 04:45 PM // 16:45

Wasn't this thread about Dishonor system/points? Has anyone seen the reporting command work yet?

TheRaven · Sep 28, 2007, 04:46 PM // 16:46

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

Heck... one of the main reasons I came up with the name in the first place several years ago, for something entirely different, was BECAUSE of such opinionated arseholes thinking the whole world should cry for them because their baby died.

So you admit that you named your character because it offends people. Now you're upset that one of the offended folks might report you?

LONGA · Sep 28, 2007, 04:50 PM // 16:50

Its no pain no gain situation.
Putting /report to use will clean up the mess for less social interaction.

If /report system turn out to be bad Dev will just remove it ,not about who got a louder voice.